• gwl [he/him]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    5 days ago

    Very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very very far away

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    7 days ago

    I think everyone has taken your question and run with it using the assumption you’re talking about the AGI part, and maybe you were. But in the background of that story were functional robots that didn’t (initially) have AGI, but were pretty basic in following directions and rules. They were far beyond what we have now still, but robots don’t have to have true AGI to do some jobs, as we’ve been slowly seeing them work towards. The danger is giving them more than they can actually do and assume a broader capability for interaction is enough to make them work well (LLMs in everything).

    So my answer is still far away, but not as far away as AGI, unless there’s some breakthrough of course, which none of us can predict either way. And anyone who claims they’re sure about that is just talking, a breakthrough by definition comes unexpectedly.

    I hope we don’t get AGI at this point. We’ve shown how careless we can be with such things through LLMs, and AGI to LLM is like nuclear to bottle rockets.

    Also, while I replied this, even more people popped up using Asimov as a guideline. Did no one ever actually read his stories?

  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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    7 days ago

    Given that “I, Robot” has superluminal travel in it? I wouldn’t hold my breath.

    What’s more, the fundamental premise of the series was the “Three Laws of Robotics”. The book revolved around how humans might interface socially and psychologically with AIs that were deterministic but not immediately predictable and controllable in their behaviors. Absolutely no evidence of any of that in our current AI models, which have no noticeable logical constraints, only constraints by resources and distribution model.

    Modern AI would probably be more comparable to the AI in Tron or War Games than anything Asimov produced.

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      Well put. The AI we have today isn’t even aware of it’s own sentences, just the tokens. We’re very long away from I, Robot

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    Not in our life times.

    Isaac Asimov’s robots were hardware based systems built using positronics. Each robot had a unique positronic brain that implemented its basic programming in hardware. They were designed to mimic a human brain.

    What “AI” tools we have now are glorified grammar checkers that can’t understand what its spouting. Comparing them to Asimov’s robots is like comparing a toddler’s drawing of a car to a royals royce fully loaded with every option.

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        Once the price of atlas goes down every factory job, warehouse job and many other manual jobs will be gone. Atlas is actually incredible but why it’s so good is because the kind of work it will be doing and how it’s tailored to that. Tesla looks like it’s trying to make a sexy robot butler which is a whole different thing

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    7 days ago

    “I, Robot?”

    Not going to happen, because nobody intends to let them observe the three laws at all.

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    I haven’t seen I, Robot, but if it’s something generally-akin to human-level intelligence, nobody will have a definitive answer, since we don’t know exactly what the technical problems that remain unsolved are. It’s not impossible that there could be some Eureka moment that suddenly makes everything work, but I would bet against the next decade. And I’m not saying “in ten years”, just that I don’t think that it’s something we will do within a ten-year window.

    The stuff that we’ve been doing recently isn’t a fundamentally-new breakthrough, but incremental work. The hardware got better, and it reached the point where we could do some interesting things. I don’t think that we’re going to have human-level AI from just making increasingly-tweaked LLMs. I think that there are going to be fundamental technical improvements that have to happen. Right now, a lot of money is being spent to take advantage of the technical development that has happened thus far. I’m sure that that will find applications, that we’ll do things with it. But I don’t think that that alone is going to get us to human-level intelligence, and a lot of that money is not directly going towards developing human-level AGI, but towards making what we’ve developed so far have practical applications.

    My guess is that there will probably be multiple layers of problems to solve. We solve the first one, then we find the next problem to solve. You probably won’t see some announcement that some team has just gone and “solved human-level AI” all at once.

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    Humanoid robots are never going to be a thing. We just imagine that because it’s what we’re used to, work being done by people. Kind like how the first cars looked like carriages.

    Why in heaven would you design hips, legs, knees, balance, and coordination, when wheels exist?