A recent report found more than 90% of patients affected by a chickenpox outbreak in New York City had no documentation of receiving a chickenpox vaccine.
Just 1.4% of cases were among people who received two vaccine doses.
I don’t think that avoiding vaccines is a very good idea, but I only really care about it to the extent that it’s a risk to other people.
With COVID-19, there’s a major risk in that a dangerous disease is rapidly spreading and there’s a major concern that hospitals may get overwhelmed, leading to death rates spiking. Not being vaccinated was a serious risk to other people.
In this case, according to the article, only 1.4% of the people involved had been fully-vaccinated. Even if every single case was a result of an infection from someone who wasn’t vaccinated, virtually all of the people who are being hurt are either not vaccinated or only partially-vaccinated. There is no risk of hospitals being overwhelmed.
It’s not zero-impact on other people, but that impact is pretty limited in this case.
In general, my take is that people should be entitled to a warning, but if they still want to do something to themselves that is a really bad idea and the impact is pretty much on them, well…
, but I only really care about it to the extent that it’s a risk to other people.
It’s almost always a risk to other people. I can’t think of a vaccine that is for a non-communicable disease. Not getting vaccinated means you can become a carrier or get sick and spread the illness. This means that herd immunity is lowered and people who can’t get the vaccine, or those who did but whose bodies didn’t adapt to it, are vulnerable to that person spreading it. Not getting vaccinated can mean you are liable (not legally) for other people’s deaths!
A chickenpox infection lingers in the body and can surface years later as shingles, which can be debilitating, especially for older adults. Having personally had shingles as a teenager when it’s not dangerous, I can assure you that you don’t want to get it because someone else refused to get vaccinated. When I had it, vaccines for chickenpox and shingles didn’t exist yet.
I can’t really endorse literally forcing vaccinations, but penalties for not being vaccinated are ok in my book.
The chickenpox virus persists in your body and can surface decades later as shingles. Look up what that experience is like if you want. I can assure you it’s not pleasant. Once you get that, there’s no getting rid of it. Children should NOT be made to purposely catch chickenpox. It puts them at rsignificant risk of debilitating disease later on.
One vaccine is effective at preventing both, and there’s no real reason not to get it unless you’re allergic to the ingredients.
I guess you’re right. It would be more friendly to vaccinate against chicken pox than to catch chicken pox and be home for two weeks straight. Then the possible shingles bit later on in life.
In general, my take is that people should be entitled to a warning, but if they still want to do something to themselves that is a really bad idea and the impact is pretty much on them, well…
This literally is the status quo.
The problem is that the impact is not only on them. There are people who are immunocompromised, particularly the elderly and cancer patients undergoing chemo, and children too young to get various vaccines, and they rely on herd immunity to avoid getting these diseases that might kill them or get them seriously ill or complicate their medical situation. So it’s specifically societies most vulnerable populations that are harmed, which is bad, not to mention the possibility that with enough spread the viruses could mutate and get around vaccines which would threaten everyone else.
And then you have to weigh those real harms against…what, exactly? People just…don’t want to? Because of their incorrect belief that the vaccines are more harmful than helpful?
The government exists to handle externalities like contagion and pollution and caring for vulnerable groups. Arguably, we should be a lot harsher on requiring vaccinations, like how we were on polio. But we aren’t.
Cletus, you can say “fuck” on the Internet. Then again, I’m inclined to believe that given your lack of punctuation or correct spelling throughout your entire post, that maybe you think it’s actually spelled “fuk”.
And God damn do I love the hypocrisy on “believing the narrative”. Sure, we listen to the advice of the medical community, but at least I’m not taking my medical advice from a bunch of 4chan incels and facebook-addicted, soccer moms. The “narrative” lmfao, bro your entire narrative was spoonfed to you by the internet you bottom feeder.
What next mate? You wanna harp on about how vaccines are making people magnetic or the evil 5G?
You clowns have been saying that shit for years lol. Nothing’s happened to anyone. Sorry bro, the facts don’t support your feelings, you uneducated snowflake.
Your dumb conspiracy theories are based on fear and cowardice.
The amount of people that have been “hurt” because of the vaccine is statistically insignificant, and it’s no different than the number of people that would have issues at taking any other “safe” over the counter medicine.
Your entire belief against has been crafted and pushed by foreign actors, and your just gullible enough to buy into it.
But your ignorance and pride will never let you believe it. You want to keep being the fool, that’s your prerogative.
So break the bubble, show us the people hurt by the “poison”. And not just one or two who happened to be allergic. That can happen with peanuts, like my little sister the first time she had them as a child. I had chicken pocks before the vaccine existed. I saw tons of kids suffering because of it. Now I see none except the ones who didn’t get the vaccine and the few unfortunate enough to be near too many of the unvaccinated people.
It’s a proven technology. Did you think Polio and Measles just went away on their own? When the polio vaccine became a thing, people lined up around the street to take them because they had firsthand experience with how debilitating these diseases are. It’s quite literally miracle technology.
People who are against vaccination have been used by con artists who will say anything inflammatory to gain notoriety and money and be on talk shows and sell books. Be mad at the people who fleeced you.
Now these diseases that have no place in modern society are making a comeback because of it.
I really typically don’t wish harm on anyone but part of me would just wish you’d get Polio because then you’d get what you deserve. You would then finally see why people vaccinate, though you’re probably dumb enough to even then, while you’re in an iron lung, talk about how it’s all the governments fault because you know everything that Facebook taught you!
You are so facepalmingly dumb… I know that’s not an argument is but seriously, the stupid hurts. Literally, here, as millions have died rather gruesome deaths because they believed the same stupid bullshit you believe in, and here you are regurgitating the same slogans.
Yeah, you are the type of mentally (and morally) deficient person who should just be forcibly be vaccinated. Don’t like it? Get fined, get jailed, and the get vaccinated anyway against your will. I don’t care at this point.
“But muh rights?!?!??” F¥°¢k your rights. You do NOT have the right to risk the lives of others, which right now you do.
“But evil guvermunt!!!” Welcome to the real world where this has shit to do with governments, this is about medical science. A virus doesn’t give a crap about your opinions about your government. Also: Can you get it in your wooden head that the US is NOT the only country in the world? There are hundreds of other countries.
Your lack of scientific knowledge is NOT an excuse, your conspiracy brain is no excuse either.
Fuck antivaxxers, unless there’s a demonstrated prior allergic reaction these fuckers should pay an extra tax just for being alive.
I don’t think that avoiding vaccines is a very good idea, but I only really care about it to the extent that it’s a risk to other people.
With COVID-19, there’s a major risk in that a dangerous disease is rapidly spreading and there’s a major concern that hospitals may get overwhelmed, leading to death rates spiking. Not being vaccinated was a serious risk to other people.
In this case, according to the article, only 1.4% of the people involved had been fully-vaccinated. Even if every single case was a result of an infection from someone who wasn’t vaccinated, virtually all of the people who are being hurt are either not vaccinated or only partially-vaccinated. There is no risk of hospitals being overwhelmed.
It’s not zero-impact on other people, but that impact is pretty limited in this case.
In general, my take is that people should be entitled to a warning, but if they still want to do something to themselves that is a really bad idea and the impact is pretty much on them, well…
It’s almost always a risk to other people. I can’t think of a vaccine that is for a non-communicable disease. Not getting vaccinated means you can become a carrier or get sick and spread the illness. This means that herd immunity is lowered and people who can’t get the vaccine, or those who did but whose bodies didn’t adapt to it, are vulnerable to that person spreading it. Not getting vaccinated can mean you are liable (not legally) for other people’s deaths!
Tetanus? Least I didn’t think that was contagious
A chickenpox infection lingers in the body and can surface years later as shingles, which can be debilitating, especially for older adults. Having personally had shingles as a teenager when it’s not dangerous, I can assure you that you don’t want to get it because someone else refused to get vaccinated. When I had it, vaccines for chickenpox and shingles didn’t exist yet.
I can’t really endorse literally forcing vaccinations, but penalties for not being vaccinated are ok in my book.
I got the smallpox vaccine, so I went through that. Hence my immunity to other cowpox, chickenpox etc.
Varicella-Zoster Virus (Chickenpox) is linked to lifelong shingles flareups decades later and cannot be eliminated.
A LOT of people seem ignorant about this recent medical fact. Its important and get vaccinated!
Why would you vaccinate against chickenpox, unless you mean for adults? Children should just be exposed to it.
And I’m not going to pay any penalty for refusing to put some research chemical into my body.
The chickenpox virus persists in your body and can surface decades later as shingles. Look up what that experience is like if you want. I can assure you it’s not pleasant. Once you get that, there’s no getting rid of it. Children should NOT be made to purposely catch chickenpox. It puts them at rsignificant risk of debilitating disease later on.
One vaccine is effective at preventing both, and there’s no real reason not to get it unless you’re allergic to the ingredients.
I guess you’re right. It would be more friendly to vaccinate against chicken pox than to catch chicken pox and be home for two weeks straight. Then the possible shingles bit later on in life.
.
Wait, do you think chickenpox isn’t contagious?
No
This literally is the status quo.
The problem is that the impact is not only on them. There are people who are immunocompromised, particularly the elderly and cancer patients undergoing chemo, and children too young to get various vaccines, and they rely on herd immunity to avoid getting these diseases that might kill them or get them seriously ill or complicate their medical situation. So it’s specifically societies most vulnerable populations that are harmed, which is bad, not to mention the possibility that with enough spread the viruses could mutate and get around vaccines which would threaten everyone else.
And then you have to weigh those real harms against…what, exactly? People just…don’t want to? Because of their incorrect belief that the vaccines are more harmful than helpful?
The government exists to handle externalities like contagion and pollution and caring for vulnerable groups. Arguably, we should be a lot harsher on requiring vaccinations, like how we were on polio. But we aren’t.
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Cletus, you can say “fuck” on the Internet. Then again, I’m inclined to believe that given your lack of punctuation or correct spelling throughout your entire post, that maybe you think it’s actually spelled “fuk”.
And God damn do I love the hypocrisy on “believing the narrative”. Sure, we listen to the advice of the medical community, but at least I’m not taking my medical advice from a bunch of 4chan incels and facebook-addicted, soccer moms. The “narrative” lmfao, bro your entire narrative was spoonfed to you by the internet you bottom feeder.
What next mate? You wanna harp on about how vaccines are making people magnetic or the evil 5G?
Psst… you’re still poisoned and there’s no turning back.
Stay mad.
You clowns have been saying that shit for years lol. Nothing’s happened to anyone. Sorry bro, the facts don’t support your feelings, you uneducated snowflake.
Nothing’s happened to anyone? Nice bubble.
“uneducated snowflake” lmao
Your dumb conspiracy theories are based on fear and cowardice.
The amount of people that have been “hurt” because of the vaccine is statistically insignificant, and it’s no different than the number of people that would have issues at taking any other “safe” over the counter medicine.
Your entire belief against has been crafted and pushed by foreign actors, and your just gullible enough to buy into it.
But your ignorance and pride will never let you believe it. You want to keep being the fool, that’s your prerogative.
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You never had anything to add from the start, bucko
So break the bubble, show us the people hurt by the “poison”. And not just one or two who happened to be allergic. That can happen with peanuts, like my little sister the first time she had them as a child. I had chicken pocks before the vaccine existed. I saw tons of kids suffering because of it. Now I see none except the ones who didn’t get the vaccine and the few unfortunate enough to be near too many of the unvaccinated people.
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Yo we are talking about chicken pox
It says it right there.
The risk of taking the vaccine is lower that the risk of not taking it. That’s all there needs to be said
Yeah, I was vaccinated 4 years ago and then I died like you said I would, you sure showed me.
I also am dead.
It’s a proven technology. Did you think Polio and Measles just went away on their own? When the polio vaccine became a thing, people lined up around the street to take them because they had firsthand experience with how debilitating these diseases are. It’s quite literally miracle technology.
People who are against vaccination have been used by con artists who will say anything inflammatory to gain notoriety and money and be on talk shows and sell books. Be mad at the people who fleeced you.
Now these diseases that have no place in modern society are making a comeback because of it.
“Did you think…” No they don’t do that.
You are a complete ducking wackadoo.
I really typically don’t wish harm on anyone but part of me would just wish you’d get Polio because then you’d get what you deserve. You would then finally see why people vaccinate, though you’re probably dumb enough to even then, while you’re in an iron lung, talk about how it’s all the governments fault because you know everything that Facebook taught you!
You are so facepalmingly dumb… I know that’s not an argument is but seriously, the stupid hurts. Literally, here, as millions have died rather gruesome deaths because they believed the same stupid bullshit you believe in, and here you are regurgitating the same slogans.
An anti-vaxxer? In my Lemmy?
It’s more likely than you think.
Yeah, you are the type of mentally (and morally) deficient person who should just be forcibly be vaccinated. Don’t like it? Get fined, get jailed, and the get vaccinated anyway against your will. I don’t care at this point.
“But muh rights?!?!??” F¥°¢k your rights. You do NOT have the right to risk the lives of others, which right now you do.
“But evil guvermunt!!!” Welcome to the real world where this has shit to do with governments, this is about medical science. A virus doesn’t give a crap about your opinions about your government. Also: Can you get it in your wooden head that the US is NOT the only country in the world? There are hundreds of other countries.
Your lack of scientific knowledge is NOT an excuse, your conspiracy brain is no excuse either.