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8 hours of work is too much
2 hour of commute + 8 of work is basically 10 hours away from home
10 hours + 8 to sleep + 2/3 to do chores = 20/21 hours of your day, so you have max 4 or 3 hours to ““enjoy”” (you will just unwind from work and enjoy little or nothing) and this is without counting overtime work to meet the end of the month
FUCK EVERYONE WHO WANT THIS! We deserve way better!See, the commute is meant to be counted into it… xD
Everyone should know that labor day internationally, GLOBALLY, is May 1st, in honor of the labor movement and the martyrs who were killed by the US government in the Haymarket Affair in 1886.
The reason they made it a different date in the USA is so they would distance themselves from what they did and so people would stop connecting May 1st and the labor movement, so people wouldn’t suddenly get a martyr remembrance day and all come together and think about hanging the rich every year.
The Haymarket affair was a bombing that took place at a labor demonstration on May 4, 1886, at Haymarket Square in Chicago. The rally began peacefully in support of workers striking for an eight-hour work day; it was held the day after a May 3 rally at a McCormick Harvesting Machine Company plant on the West Side of Chicago, during which police killed two strikers by opening fire at the crowd as it surged to the gate to confront strikebreakers.[2]: 190 Many others were injured. At the Haymarket Square rally on May 4, an unknown person threw a dynamite bomb at the police as they acted to disperse the meeting, and the bomb blast and ensuing retaliatory gunfire by the police caused the deaths of seven police officers and at least four civilians; dozens of others were wounded.
so I work retail which means labor day is just an excuse to have some kind of sale. And of course I didn’t get labor day off. Anyway someone unironically said to me ‘you must be pretty busy because everyone is off today’
‘except for me! (:’
she didn’t say anything else for the rest of the transaction lol. it’s like they forget we too are humans who are WORKING on LABOR day
Did you get holiday pay at least? I dont think I got holiday pay even when I worked retail. My husband got 8 extra straight hours, and was paid time and a half for the shift he worked yesterday (unionized labor).
I dont think retail does anything like this. Fuck retail. I know exactly what you went through, and it is why youll never see me shop on a holiday.
yeah thankfully I do get time and a half, and I thibk my store also gives an extra 4 hours of pay for anyone who works on the day. It’s definitely better than nothing and I don’t mind the extra money :3c
its just the insensitive folk who remain ignorant to the fact that everyone else around them is living a life as varied as theirs that gets to me.
but same! honestly if I could I would even like shut down my entire home and spend the day out in the wild so I don’t have to give work to the people making sure utilities are still functional too. those Homies also deserve a break, and a hell of a lot more than time and a half
Is Nancy not entitled to the sweat of her brow??
We probably need closer to 10hrs of sleep (e.g.).
I think a 24 hr workweek is pretty ideal, distributed as one prefers (3x8 up to 6x4), so 4hrs work per day not counting Sundays.
4/10/10 is what we should strive for in the current age I think.
We can do what we want to. We decide. If we want that, that’s what we get. The only ones who don’t want that are the land/production system owners and the system of capitalism.
There is nothing inherently “normal” or “natural” or “good” about the system under which we toil and slave, except you would be hard pressed to believe it when you speak to people because they are so deeply indoctrinated in that mode of thinking that they will fight to keep it. For some fucking reason.
The problem is that transportation and transitional period always encroaches into sleep or atwill times, never with times. Have is why we’re always push for 30h work weeks. It’s still a lot imo but it’s still manageable.
8 hours to pay the landlord, 8 hours to pay the other bills, 8 hours for everything else
Tell St. Peter I can’t go,
I own my soul to the company store.
Half of those “8 hours for what we will” are spent getting ready for, transportation between, and decompressing from the work hours. After time for cooking, cleaning, shopping, and other chores, we still get very little of the “what we will” hours.
And the “lunch in your own time” means I’ll be at work for 9 hours anyway
Wake up 1 hour before you leave, 1 hour commute there, 1 hour home eats another 3 hours that for some reason come out of your personal time slot.
Don’t worry you have the weekend for those, which you spend 8 hours in bed, 8 hours for chores, 4 hours feeling tired, and 4 hours doing whatever you want while feeling tired.
The weekend which, by the way, is another concept that labor unions had to fight and died for.
You didn’t mention unpaid lunch time, making sure you get there before clock in, any phone calls or emails that happen after hours, taking kids to daycare, and all the little things that you wouldn’t be doing if it wasn’t for your job. I guess that comes out of the “8 hours of sleep” time.
I was going for the gist, not an exhaustive detailing of what most of us already know and/or doesn’t apply to everyone’s particular jobs. Nonetheless, you are absolutely correct in that there’s a LOT unaccounted for in OP’s generalization.
OP created their post 100 years ago when this sentiment was much more radical. The fact that we failed to move our positions further in one hundred years is kinda on us.
I think we need an international strike to reduce working hours (with retained compensation) from 8→6 hours. Could be a good test run for more radical change.
People also often lived much closer to their work so commuting was just walking down the street a short ways. It wasn’t until cars became common that the sprawl and long commutes started.
Somewhat, yes - reliable public transit was also still incredibly common into WWII (and beyond in some major metros). Even if your job was downtown and you were living outside the core, you could reliably expect bus or train service within a block or two of your house, and a reliable enough network with enough stops to let you walk to your office or whatever with fair ease.
It’s actually gotten worse in the last 100 years. See, back then, most women would do unpaid household labour, and men would work. So your typical married household does 40 hours of work a week.
Nowadays, we have (some) gender equality, which means everyone works 40 hours a week. So your typical married household does 80 hours of paid work a week, PLUS the unpaid work that still needs to be done!
If we want to get back to doing the same work as a society as in 1926, we need to legally mandate a 4 hour workday. Anything less is a regression in workers’ rights.
It’s actually gotten worse in the last 100 years. See, back then, most women would do unpaid household labour, and men would work
This might have been true for someone in a relatively well off class position, but for the majority of working class people 100 years ago, the women also worked. Especially in things like service and textiles.
It wasn’t until the post-war economic boom with soldiers coming home and taking advantage of the GI Bill, did the “traditional” setup of women being stay-at-home mothers while the man worked, become normative. At least among white families.
Yeah, life was a lot simpler when your wife/servant prepped all your food and work was a fifteen minute walk away.
I hate that when women took their right to work, instead of reducing the workload of everyone they just made everyone work more.
If I ever marry a woman, I imagine a future where we both come home tired and she cooks as I rush to clean/tidy the house do chores etc. and we both get a whopping 4 hours of slack out of our total of 8 hours. That’s a goddamn dark vision of the future tbh.
plenty of those idiots drive hr+ a day to work
That’s the world executives still live in, contributing significantly to the disconnect between their realities and those of their workers.
listen, do not overlook: they are bad
When the 40 hour work week was brought in, working men were expected to have a wife at home to do all the household labour.
“8 hours for what we will” gets eroded pretty quickly now that both of you are expected to work.
Yeah how the fuck am I supposed to get 8 full hours of Rimworld without someone here to cook me chicken tenders?
It’s also non-consecutive. 8hrs split over morning & eve feels much shorter
gotta take away commuting time as well
And lunch used to be included in the 8 hours of work. And paid. Now it’s an unpaid hour you can’t really use.
Wholesale theft.
How early do you get up? I only get up in time to grab a coffee and a snack before work.
Ah, well, I’ve been self-employed working from home since 2005, so I get up anywhere between 7:00am-9:30am depending on how bright it is outside
No small kids, I take it? Take away about 5–7h every day from the “what you will” pool. And/or rest pool.
Labor Day was created in the US to distance us laborers from the global labor movement’s chosen day, May 1st. A day that was largely established upon events that occurred into the US
I reaalllyyyy like the 4 4 4 movement as a modern successor to this:
Someone should do an actual artwork for that. I really like the idea, but the ai slop gives me mixed feelings here
Aww, I didn’t realize! It came from people I trusted, and it’s a few years old, so I guess I didn’t look too closely… 😭
Yeah if this is ai I shouldn’t have posted it. We definitely need some real graphics for this idea.
What would 4 months for democracy entail?
Presumably an active duty to participate beyond just voting. Serving on local councils, school boards, etc.
Arguing with idiots
Meeting with your various neighborhood planning committees, sending/being a representative at the larger region’s committee of neighborhood committees, etc etc.
The 8/8/8 hours scheme is a lie:
8 hours of work + 0,5-1 hour break at work + 1-2 hours of travel from/to work + 1-2 hour household (cooking, washing clothes, grocery shopping, …) + 6-8 hours of sleep = 16,5-21 hours
This leaves 3-7,5 hours of free time per day.
This feels like billionaire propaganda. “Everything’s balanced and fair, we already give you 16 off. Work hard in the eight you give us” or something
It is literally a labor slogan dating back to the 1800s.
Does that mean it can’t be used as propaganda in modern times?
It educates people on the fact 8/8/8 wasn’t always a thing and the only way we got it was through unions and activism. I think an intelligent person can easily draw a line between progress being made 200 years ago and how nothing has changed the 8/8/8 agreement since.
To me that’s empowerment to fighting for 4/4/4 or 30 hour work weeks or anything better than our current dated set up. It tells us we can fight for a better future and present.
The timing just feels a bit odd.
I could easily see how someone could view this as a veiled attempt to remind people “how well they’re treated!”.
I wouldn’t discount that.
Outside any further evidence I’m fine to say it’s not. Especially when the criticism seemingly stems from a lack of awareness of historical labor movements.
Now it’s 6 for sleep, 12 for work and 6 for the side hustle…
We are tired
Labor Day is just a government worker holiday, everyone else other than banks just get fucked
