Kilmer passed away in 2025 after battling throat cancer. Apparently his character will feature in over an hour of the movie.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/val-kilmer-ai-generated-new-movie-rcna264195
This is so weird to me. Are we really at a point where we need recreate old, dead actors instead of giving new actors a shot?
Like could you imagine if we had this technology a hundred years ago and just decided that Charlie Chaplin was the best, so let’s just clone his likeness and put him in everything? You’d never have a John Wayne, a Robert DeNiro, a Harrison Ford, or a Tom Hanks. Just a recreation of Charlie Chaplin in every major movie - because it’s cheaper and less risky to recreate someone old with AI than it is to take a chance on someone new.
This timeline is dumb as hell.
In fairness to the studio, he had accepted the role before he became ill and was unable to actually film for the role. They also had the permission of his family, and I believe the actor himself.
js let actors (really, anyone for that matter) die in peace bruh 😭😭🙏
A cousin of mine died about a year ago, after a long struggle with cancer. “She” still posts on Facebook. It makes me sick.
Is this Facebook doing this, or a family member posting on their behalf?
Sounds like the perfect movie to never watch.
They’ve finally done it. Even if You’re dead, you still have to fucking go to work.
Which was the point of the movie Robocop, and he got featured in the reboot of it.
Usually i wonder “Oh, xyz is still alive?”, feels werid to wonder “Oh, xyz is dead? When did that happen?”
Is this a getting-old thing? :(
I’m 55 and wonder both. I think it’s a realizing your own mortality thing.
Dude had a lot of health problems. Top Gun was his last hurrah, and it was difficult for him. It’s why his screen time was so short, and why they ended up honoring him with a funeral scene. If I remember correctly, he died while the film was being made, so they added that scene last minute.
So they’re just making money over a dead guy’s likeness. Business as usual then.
He was going to play the role before he died, and they decided to use AI to recreate his likeness instead of recasting.
So not quite as ghoulish as you might think.
How does that make it not ghoulish?
Not quite as ghoulish. Say 99% as ghoulish.
“We were gonna skin Val and attach that to an advanced robotics puppet, but the studio said that was 100% ghoulish.”
Exactly. I’m not saying it’s fine, just not as terrible as you might originally think.
I’m not sure if that’s a distinction worth making in this case
I’m not sure if this was a comment worth making, yet here you are.
I suppose time will tell ;)
How does that make it not ghoulish?
The victim had a choice.
When the Lich King gives you a choice, its ethical necromancy.
Did anyone ask him if he thought this was ok?
From what I read, Kilmer gave the filmmakers the right to use his likeness for this purpose.
So just holding him to his contractual obligations after death then?
That’s not making it any better.
Will his estate see the amount he was contractually obligated for revenue, etc?
I’d imagine so, yes.
In that context, that’s more ghoulish.
I would say that if no one paid to see the movie maybe studios would quit doing this, but there are usually a lot of people who don’t know or don’t care about any given shitty thing, so things get slowly worse.
That’s the flow of the world. The vast majority doesn’t know and doesn’t care. We all get what we deserve in the end though…
No, we just get what we get.
Well in the context of using shitty things that will shit on us in the end, it’s what we deserve too :)
Why? Its basically tautological that using shitty things will lead to shitty outcomes, we wouldn’t call them shitty in the first place otherwise, but what’s the mechanism by which this causes the users of those shitty things to deserve that outcome?
The mechanism? Ignorance. In the simple sense of “play stupid games, win stupid prices”. If you use a thing you absolutely don’t understand, and it bites you in the ass…well?
That just describes that doing some thing, the “stupid games”, merely causes some negative effect, the “stupid prizes”, not that the person playing those games deserves the results of their actions. To put it another way, if they deserve them, then if hypothetically speaking the person plays the stupid games but for some reason the stupid prizes never result, then there is something morally wrong with that situation and the world would be better had things gone as expected. If they dont deserve them, then the person playing the stupid games just got lucky that time and thered be no benefit to trying to force the negative result that didnt happen to occur after all.
The Critic called it in 1994.
that doesn’t even look like him.
It looks like someone tried to make Tom Cruise look like Val Kilmer.
Maybe if we see an era of AI reducing people’s individuality and throwing them all into an uncanny valley of blended-together appearances, we’ll wind up with a resurgence of interest in actors with atypical features.
Maybe from the early 90s









