I legitimately did not believe it was possible for this to happen. There’s always a hateful minority but I believe people as a whole are good. How did this happen?
I legitimately did not believe it was possible for this to happen. There’s always a hateful minority but I believe people as a whole are good. How did this happen?
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Weird because I’m pretty sure only Trump voters are responsible for electing Trump.
He got effectively the same amount of votes as 2020.
She got 10-12MM LESS than Biden in 2020.
They simply failed while Trump went sideways.
It is not safe to assume that if 12 million more people voted, they all would have voted for Kamala.
It is safe to say that if 70 million fewer people voted for Trump, Trump doesn’t win.
Regardless of how many people did or didn’t vote for Harris, or Stein, or RFK, or whoever, that doesn’t change the fact that 70 million Americans saw Trump and decided “yes, more of that please”.
Not to mention that GOP has taken Senate and likely to hold House. This is speaking to the wants of the average American voter. They spoke loud. They want this.
Imagine being insane enough to type this out when Trump’s campaign is “they’re eating the pets.”
Are you listening to yourself? Trump is crazy/senile. Many of the people that support him know this, but will continue to support him because he appoints the ® judges they want. He could be the craziest person on the planet, but his supporters just won’t care as long he can be relied upon to deliver the courts.
A month ago, I though Harris had a good chance at winning. But as we got closer to election day, ads, headlines, and commentators focused more and more on how bad Trump is, rather than what she stands for or promises. That’s why she lost. No one was going to change the minds of any Trump voters. She needed to get undecided/swing/unmotivated voters to vote FOR her, rather than vote against Trump. “We’re not going back”? Fine, I don’t want that either, but instead of repeating that over and over, how about you remind people what it means for a Harris administration to move us forward? You can’t do that because you’re keeping us in bed with Israel and people are concerned about the implications from that? Yeah, she was going to lose to the “pet-eating” douche.
Say whatever you want about Trump and his supporters, and sure, there’s plenty to disagree with. But, they had someone they were voting FOR, and that means more than being scared of the alternative.
This is a complete deflection from the primary point: Kamala ran a campaign that would have done well in 2012. Not 2024. She had no strategy, and in fact did everything she could to not differentiate or excite despite ample historical examples from Obama to Trump on how to do so.
Biden’s was worse
It’s still Kamala’s fault she lost, but she wasn’t as bad as it could have been.
Relentless conservative propaganda made it a close race and Harris blew it by cozying up to Republicans and using kids gloves with Trump.
I think Harris played it better than anyone had so far with handling Trump. I think her fatal mistep was believing there were hordes of rightwing never trumpers who could be swayed. She had so much momentum when she first stepped in and people thought she’d be further left than Biden, she pivoted further right than him and probably got less votes. Being a POC woman certainly didn’t help either.
This is exactly how I saw the campaign go, and how my enthusiasm died when she got buddy buddy with Cheney. By the time I voted it was solidly back to ‘against Republicans’ instead of having any hope that the Dems had learned anything.
I don’t have the energy to try and sway people to do the right thing, but voting is easy enough that I’ll probably keep doing that. I should probably just stop paying attention to Dem campaigns though because it sure makes taking the time to vote for them harder each decade. Republicans trashing the country should be enough of a reminder.
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I think attacking Trump’s rhetoric is not a winning strategy. People are fatigued by it and it just falls onto deaf ears.
Also people are dumb and selfish. If you talk about democracy, they don’t care and/or understand what it means. All they care about is money in the wallet.
What proof do you have that cozying up to Republicans hurt her.
How did she handle Trump with kid gloves?
No proof, just the obvious fact that cozying up to your enemies is generally a negative. How is propping up Liz Cheney going to encourage voters who oppose Republicans?
She didn’t call him ‘convicted felon Donald Trump’. She didn’t ask him how he was looking forward to his sentencing. She didn’t ask him if he wasn’t going to let him grab her by the pussy just because he was famous. She didn’t point out that he stared at the sun during an eclipse. She didn’t point out that he nominated three SCOTUS judges that overturned Roe v Wade despite claiming he supported it. She didn’t blatantly call out his lies directly, she didn’t point out that he couldn’t focus on the topic and sounds like the sundowning jackass that he is.
She took the high road, as Dems tend to do, and not be direct and clear in their criticism of Republicans. They just softball disagreement instead of stating “That is a lie and you know it.”
Both sides used regime whores of hollycreep variety.
Political whores cant hold office for longer then a term is indicative of general dissatisfaction of the population but there is no third choice so they can just vote other guy.
But yeah DNC komissars are brain dead entire kamala debucle shows that they learned nothing from 2016. Brain dead boomers are out of touch. Zealots have on politics subs are useful clowns but not that usseful haha
I don’t think you’re wrong, but what could she have done better?
I never expected that Trump had a chance, but this is the first time he’s won the popular vote too. Something really turned people off of Harris, and I’m curious what it was.
She could’ve ran policies popular with her base instead of ignoring it and cozying up to Republicans. She could’ve made real campaign promises instead of just repeating “I’m not Trump” ad infinitum. She could’ve, you know, actually campaigned instead of repeating the mistakes of 2016.
What policies would have been better to promote?
I felt that Trump had fewer campaign promises and just as much “Kamala bad”, and it didn’t stop him from winning.
Trump has never been able policies; Trump is a culture war candidate who says what his voters want to hear. Comparing him to dem candidates is a mistake.
No, they obviously play by different rules. But they’re in and we’re out, and we need to figure out why or it’s going to stay that way.
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2024/08/politics/kamala-harris-key-issues-dg/
Hardly I’m not Trump ad infinitum. Not her fault you can’t be bothered to listen.
I don’t agree that she had no platform other than I’m not Trump, but she certainly shifted right as the race went on and lost more and more support as she did it
So I read the article and… Uh… Not convinced. Her platform was vague “nothing will fundamentally change” slop. I mean Biden’s term did have many good initiatives that it would be nice to keep, but yeah this ain’t it.
We call that in plain English “not making promises”. I mean hell she couldn’t even commit to keeping Lina Khan.
She could have held to her no-fracking stance, broke with Biden over Gaza, not promised to build a border wall, or not promised to put a Republican in the cabinet. Any one of these might have made the difference
It’s wild to me that when she realized she had to somewhat distance herself from Biden she chose to say she’d have a republican in her cabinet. Not something about helping the working class more, or not supplying and funding a genocide that’s incredibly unpopular with what should be her base.
Stuff like that along with “having the most lethal military” and campaigning with Cheney alienated leftists, student, and Muslim voters which all could have been easy wins.
Economically people don’t feel better under Biden than they did 4 years ago which while the inflation largely isn’t his fault she still needed to meaningfully project she would be different than him to get working class voters and she didn’t effectively do that since she wasn’t pushing a populist message.
She clearly doesn’t know how to campaign well (pretty sure I heard she had Clinton staffers giving advice to her campaign lol) but that shouldn’t be a surprise since she was the first candidate to drop out of the 2020 primary.
She aligned herself with (1) the most unpopular republican vice president and warmonger of our generation, (2) did not distance herself from an unpopular president, (3) did not on any level run a non-traditional media campaign all while watching the Trump campaign triple down on it.
The actual true answer is that it’s only her fault given the opportunity, but she in fact should never have been given the opportunity—Biden should have prepared to be a one term president and give years of lead time for a competent candidate to challenge the very obvious and inevitable campaign Trump ran.
Trump vote totals is sideways. Hers went down 12MM from 2020.
I live in a red state and vote blue. Trump is bad for the country. But the silver lining is that the Dems are now forced to have self reflection that they refused to have four years ago, and hopefully field a legitimately viable candidate in 2028.
She was 2 minorities at the same time.