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    MS rachel already is matching his donation by giving 1mil of her own to palestine. and she called out celebrities to do the same, although she said “white celebs”

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    That’s cute and all but I seriously doubt the monies are going to go where it’s supposed to go. He would have been better off donating to homeless shelters.

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    A lot more to give for macklemore versus billionaire kraft. He’ll likely say he’s going to match or exceed for optics. At least challenge kraft back at that point to tell him to share receipts publicly. He likely doesn’t donate shit, or donates to a sham fund.

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    Hi, I’m wondering how many people would agree with this statement:

    “I am not antisemitic, I am anti-genocide, and these are two different things.”

    Just trying to understand general sentiments.

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      It’s looks like as long as you voice out against what Israel is doing in Gaza, you are branded an antisemite… That term has since lost its meaning.

      “Your boos mean nothing, I’ve seen what makes you cheer”

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        That’s my first thought but I know some people are very touchy on this topic. The challenge is to say something most people will agree with. It seems like some people pick a side between violence and non-violence, others pick a side between the people groups, some seem to make the two inseparable, and others make it separable.

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          The issue is more the bad faith actors who will ignore what you say and just call you antisemetic anyway.

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          Well, now you’re getting into people parroting talking points back so they don’t have to think about what you’re saying. I wish you luck with that battle. I’ve had it many times. Using things people feel strongly about might help; like the Afghanistan “conflict”. If someone is informed about the atrocities american’s commited and are against it, that can be likened to Israel’s treatment of Palestinians and might get them to think.

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    This guy is about to tie his hands behind his back and then shoot himself in the back of the head.

    The Epstein files are not being released only because Israeli officials told Epstein secret shit.

    America is controlled by Israel, Israel is a terrorist state that kills innocent civilians. Fuck you Israel!

    I’ve been suicidal since I was 11. Thankfully this isn’t Reddit…

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      kraft is in the files, as is one of shareens managers i believe. ed has a vested interest in not upsetting KRAFT.

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        I meant that Macklemore fella was going to get CIA’d.

        I know very little about that Kraft cunt but everything I now and him is from this same news story… There is no chance in hell he’ll commit suicide by CIA.

        When I say “Thus guy/lady is about to commit suicide by getting on their knees and shooting themselves in the back of the head twice” I am making an incredibly morbid joke about how Israel and the CIA kill people for disagreeing with them… It’s about 25% of what got me banned by Reddit.

        (Wanting to shoot Nazis, and actually lock up child predators got me banned on Reddit.)

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    I’m an old man who had no idea who Macklemore was until this week. This guy is fucking cool.

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      Yes he is. I’m from Seattle so I have a little bit of a headstart on you. But his music is not only catchy but a love letter to the city and state that birthed him. Washington state is beautiful and he really captures that.

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      God I love to see people centering the need for the liberation for the oppressed rather than any of the other shit, fucking well written statement.

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      I appreciate this but also it is missing a middle section about a 15 year old child being killed while trying to rush to help an aide worker. Muhammad Al Zinati and Sherif Lubbad respectively.

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        Could be thousands of obituaries, but that can’t be the middle of every comment on the subject

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            Correct, I wasn’t trying to minimize or create any discourse. Just noted that I went to the source and read the statement again and noticed a portion missing. Instead of just pointing that out it felt more appropriate to give some more air time to the names that I did learn from the original source. They all are deserving of recognition and acknowledgement. I had no intention of speaking negatively of the user that graciously shared what they did nor minimize the countless other victims, just wanted to speak the names of those who were mentioned in a respectful way.

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    From further down in the article:

    Pink wrote that she was not trying to get any artist fired or silence anyone but that she took issue with Macklemore’s putting “violent images” of Israel’s military campaign in Gaza up in a stadium filled with families, then telling Jews in the audience that “it wasn’t about them.”

    She’s mad that Macklemore put up pictures of the shit that the Israeli military did? But she takes no issue with what the military itself did?

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      But she takes no issue with what the military itself did?

      That’s not what she said?

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          Well, technically, she said that showing families the violence in Gaza is about Jewish people, not that she endorses that violence.

          But also, had she just said “I don’t think children should be exposed to graphic violence”, she would’ve had a defensible point (which I don’t fully agree with, but can understand where it’s coming from, so we could at least have a conversation).

          Instead she also chose to make criticism of Israel’s military actions out to be “about Jews”. So while she didn’t directly say anything about Israel’s military actions, she’s evidently concerned that showing them to children might make them think badly of Jewish people.

          Which she certainly isn’t helping by propagating this “Israel = Jewish people” narrative, throwing all under the bus that don’t support the Zionist doctrine.

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          Maybe nothing, maybe something, but doesn’t mean she has no issue. Finding A in bad taste doesn’t mean you support B.

          You can condemn the genocide committed by Israel and also not want pictures of dead people in a family event.

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            She felt it necessary for her to speak out publicly against Macklemore showing the genocide that Israel is comitting. She did not feel necessary to speak out publicly againts the genocide itself. Priorities…

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            She easily could have said, " while the atrocities israel are committing are terrible, I find the use of graphic images at a family event wrong"

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    Kraft said in a statement shortly thereafter that Sheeran contacted him before Macklemore put out his statement to ask for a $2 million match to aid in the region.

    Yes. sure he did. What a coincidence that must’ve been, and it was for double the amount.

    “Ed now plans to reach out to other venue owners and our goal is to continue to work together to build bridges,” Kraft wrote.

    Yes, because that will fix it… /s

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      That “the region” wording felt very vague to me. Like, the govt. of Israel is also in the region.

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        glad you caught that. that’s exactly what he plans on doing it’s giving money to the people doing the killing to ‘help people in the region’

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      awww Kraft must feel this burn pretty deep

      ( I love hardrock/metal/progrock and i’m not into rap whatsoever, but i’m gonna listen Macklemore’s work today )

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      now the zionist entity sheeran has been cancelled back to his stupid settler colonial dungeon and palestine is victorious and free, we can finally afford to complete the metro system in gaza and allow public access

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    I find it funny that on all these Ed and Macklemore posts there’s exactly 1 downvote on all the comments.

    Somebody’s salty. I can almost see their expression as they go through every comment downvoting with full on “I’ll show them all” Nerd Rage coursing through their body.

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    Worth noting that Macklemore knows Kraft won’t match it. Makes it even more of a boss move.

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        Let’s not forget that these are pledges, not yet donations.

        I won’t hold my breath that Kraft actually follows through with that.

        Also, Kraft said that he was spendbthat $2 mn in the region, which doesn’t necessarily mean Palestine. He might send the IOF that money for all we know at the end of the day when all is said and done

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        Hold up, the post from Kraft only says:

        Ed called me and asked me to commit $2 million to match his donation to aid in the region to fight this humanitarian crisis.

        Doesn’t say he’ll do it, and doesn’t say it’ll go towards aid for Palestinians.

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        Kraft donated to “support the region”. Doesn’t say anything specifically about Palestine. Dude probably wrote a $2 million check to Netenyahu.

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          Settlements in Palestine need investments, the way he describes his donations reeks of dishonesty. “supported efforts to create opportunity for Palestinians” Opportunities aren’t food or shelter or aid.

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        That doesn’t surprise me. It’s cheap repair for his image. But, it’s also disingenuous, which we all know.

        Even if Kraft backed down and allowed the show, it wouldn’t work. He’s exposed himself, there’s no repairing that. Also, the artists wouldn’t return.

        Kraft is known now. And, we know what he is.

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        Interesting, thanks for sharing. I guess I was wrong.

        So… this only makes me more confused, though. He shuts down Macklemore because he doesn’t want Macklemore saying “Free Palestine” in his stadium, and then turns around and supports Palestinian causes?

        Christ, I must be missing something here.

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          Boils down to Robert Kraft did not expect the PR shit show that started because he kicked Macklemore out. This blew up super fucking fast and well outside of the control of what they expected. Ed Sheeran is scrambling too.

          This looks really bad. Even Jesse Walters from Fox News is like, “he kicked him out for saying free Palestine?” He then went on to defend Robert Kraft, claiming he can kick him out for whatever reason, but even he seemed incredulous about the reason that Macklemore was kicked out.

          Robert Kraft does not want this to continue to blow up because if every fucking artist besides a few of them suddenly start refusing to go to his stadium, that’s gonna look bad. This gives him an out, saying, well, I donated two million dollars after the fact So it doesn’t look like he’s directly supporting genocide.

          It’s obvious to those of us who pay attention, but to anybody who’s not familiar with Robert Kraft, this potentially creates an out. It all about the pr message.

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              Yeah, it basically boils down to PR and Robert Kraft trying to control the message. I’m not sure why he’s trying to control the message. He’s not giving a shit about it before, given how open he is about supporting Israel and how much money he’s donated to Israel before But this clearly rattled him.

              I speculated about the artist boycott, but I mean, it could also boil down to people just boycotting him for not allowing free speech, which is a lightning rod issue in the United States.

              Or maybe it just spiraled so fast out of control that it just spooked him. Ultimately, $2 million dollars for him is a chump change. Hard to know at this point, unfortunately.

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                I’m not sure why he’s trying to control the message. He’s not giving a shit about it before, given how open he is about supporting Israel and how much money he’s donated to Israel before But this clearly rattled him.

                But now bad things are happening to him so they matter.

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          His PR team specifically chose the words “support the region” and ended the sentence with “I have supported efforts that create opportunity for Palestinians and have brought young Palestinians and Israelis together to build businesses, create jobs”

          For example, financing bulldozing a Palestinian village, building an illegal settlement of terrorists, then hiring some Palestinians for pennies to clean the gardens, can technically match the statement

          The Israeli Gaza “humanitarian” foundation let thousands of people die of starvation, also. Any donation to the ghf technically counted as Palestine aid, but it’s like if during WW2 there was a fundraising for food in Auschwitz

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          One of the last lines of the article

          Kraft later confirmed he didn’t want Macklemore performing at Gillette, which Kraft owns … accusing the rapper of crossing the line with antisemitic rhetoric and imagery.

          I find it hard to believe that Maklemore uses antisemitic rhetoric and imagery (I’m willing to change this opinion with evidence). I would believe he uses Anti-Israeli rhetoric and imagery.

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            Kraft it’s deeply pro Isreal and supports organizations directly that have stated they define antisemitism as any criticism of Isreal. you don’t like the yearly budget Isreal passes on Library maintenance? antisemitism. You think Isreal needs to secure better water use rights for a particular Israeli city? antisemitism. better not.

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            Good! This leaves MORE Room for Noted Jew Lover Kanye West to play “Heil Hitler” at Kraft’s stadiums AGAIN!

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            I just found this today. Still not sure what to make of the costume, but Macklemore claims he didn’t intend for it to look like a Jewish caricature

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              That’s exactly what he looks like. I could see this being viewed as antisemitic. I do still wonder what the retoric was

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                It’s almost definitely antisemitic, but I suspect rather than being actual hatred, it was probably just an antisemitic joke in poor taste, and more importantly, he apologized for it in… 2014.

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                  2014! I thought that was from the current tour. People born that year will be teenagers next year. Robert Kraft associates with people who would fuck those teenagers.

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                  From what I read, he was supposedly trying to dress up in a costume inspired by Humpty Hump (of Humpty Dance fame) and wasn’t aware enough at the time to realize how fucked up it came across.

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                I definitely wore a Halloween costume In high school I regret. I was a Sultan; thank God I didn’t try to bronze my skin…

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                  I wrapped a sheet around myself and called myself the Ayatollah and did a bad Arabic accent. In Australia in the 90s. Still bugs me that I was not only being racist, but completely ignorant of the Iranian people.

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          It’s just PR bro. Trying to save face after the fact.

          That 1 million (from each) will be tax deductible and not cost either of them anything (as long as they both earn at least a million this year, which they will).

          It’s also only a limited number of charities that are official enough to take such a sum, meaning the money will get shunted through approved US channels (so that it stays out of the hands of “Hamas” or whatever the US and Israel see as Hamas today).

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          $2 million for a gesture probably doesn’t matter much to him.

          Especially when his actions point to him being a Zionist, the question becomes how much money has Kraft spent furthering Zionist ideals in comparison? Does it make $2 million USD look like a joke?

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          Youre missing the fact that 1 million isnt even .01% of his wealth he gave away pennies

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          yes its almost as if human beings exist on a gradient between black and white and should not be judged solely based on one single action.

          Fuck Hollywood and gaming industry for cultivating false dichotomies instead of utilizing actual good writers.

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            Dude is also in the Epstein files, where on you’re gradient is that?

            Also just because I’m feeling froggy

            yes its almost as if Hollywood and gaming industry exist on a gradient between black and white and should not be judged solely based on one single action.

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              A lot of people are in the Epstein files. John Stewart did a whole segment on this.

              The problem is your pea sized reactionary brain is looking for a target to unload its anger on and, for real … maybe try checking your self righteous indignation and look in a mirror?

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                he was friends with Epstine to the point he hired a lawyer to get out of sex crime charges on Epstine’s advice to him.

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                  i mean thats what lawyers do, they help you escape charges.

                  you would literally do the same if you got charged.

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                He had the same lawyer as Epstein after Epstein suggested him to Kraft, my guy. Maybe do a modicum of research before diving into a dismissive tirade

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                  yes, guilt by association is not evidence of a crime.

                  fuck your mob mentality and fuck you because you would want the same defense I am giving Mr Kraft.

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                  sigh

                  I’m feeling froggy

                  yes its almost as if Hollywood and gaming industry exist on a gradient between black and white and should not be judged solely based on one single action.

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            No, fuck Robert Kraft and his Gillette Stadium bot farm astroturfing Islamophobia under the guise of “fighting antisemitism”

            The reason is he knows that aid probably won’t make a lick of difference. It’s like sending bread to the German Jews during the holocaust - that doesn’t do shit to stop the people killing them.

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              your simple mind can only condense human actions into false dichotomies.

              I pity you. truly

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                  ah yes the simpletons coalesce. shit sticks to itself. the universe unfolds…

                  nice double negative, lackwit.

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        “brought young Palestinians and Israelis together to build businesses, create jobs, and forge relationships” sounds like some Supply-side Jesus bullshit way of saying “I made a fuckton of money in Israel and even deigned to hire some Palestinians to do it”

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        He doubled it and apparently said he was matching Ed Sheeran’s donation, not Mackelmore’s.

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      He already said he would match it but $1,000,000 is nothing to Robert Kraft. It’s basically a tax write off for some PR.

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      In the article, they quote Kraft saying he has been a long time financial supporter of the Palestinian people.

      So we’re gonna see if his money lands where his mouth is. I have my doubts but I’m open to a happy surprise.

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        no… he has said he has tried to build bridges in terms of employment between Palestinian youth and Israeli youth. which is a much more specific statement. he’s also only said he’s been asked to be give money ‘in the region’ which he hasn’t actually said he’ll do it or not, and only ‘in the region’ which could be qualified by giving Bibi a $2mil donation.

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        I’ll admit I didn’t read the article, lol. But - hang on, if he’s a long-standing financial supporter of the Palestinian people, I’m genuinely confused as to why he’s so upset at Macklemore’s remarks.

        Are we sure he isn’t just saying whatever platitudes get him more money and support?

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        He’s a long time funder of Our Generation Speaks which is an “ex” Israeli intelligence officer who pays token Palestinians to be pro-Israel, that’s the only Palestinian thing his foundation funds.