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The meme is not wrong, but we leftists have refused to be electorally active and as such have surrendered unconditionally any influence on policy we could have.
It is not about blue no matter who. We should organize to build a progressive party and support it so that we can get candidates we want. Mamdami is an example here. Still if you live in a place were that is not going to happen; then blue no matter who has some reason to it.
We don’t participate electorally and we don’t help people move to a parallel economy to escape capitalism. We just post smug memes like these and wonder why we are not a serious movement.
Politics and electorialism aren’t the same thing. We shouldn’t use the masters tools to destroy his house its not possible we need to pursue other avenues.
We shouldn’t use the masters tools to destroy his house
I don’t see why we shouldn’t turn our oppressors weapons on them.
Because they built the the weapons in a way to benefit themselves and to be incapable of ending their power. Voting is nothing but allowing the populace the illusion of choosing their master without the opportunity to change the power structures.
Voting is nothing but allowing the populace the illusion of choosing their master without the opportunity to change the power structures.
If that were the case there would be no effort to disenfranchisement. Still if we as leftist can’t complain about our lack of representation given that we are not even trying to be represented; your comment is a case in point.
If you just decided to show up to a marathon would you be able to finish? Maybe you are that fit, but the reality is it takes a lot of effort and training. If we at leftists don’t put any effort into the politics around us then we should not be surprised we are not crossing any kind of finish line.
okay but what if you don’t want representive democracy if so then you wouldn’t train to enact it that would be like aiming to run a marathon by only biking.
okay but what if you don’t want representive democracy
Fair enough. Still you are lamenting, per the meme, that its not addressing your concerns. Further you currently live in one and should take even the smallest steps to your direction. Both require a minimal input of voting with the closest candidate. If you want more its on you and fellows to make a third party.
Note that Lemmy leans quite heavy to the left, yet you are pushing back on anyone trying to help you. Is it exactly what you ideal? No, but its still a shift in that direction, but your kinda flipping the table at those of us who are sympathetic to your causes.
The lack of engagement and complaints coming by our fellow leftist is in a sense trying to have your cake and eat it.
But can’t you do the other stuff and vote, hoping to at least slow down the suck
They did vote
There is no reality where leftists effected the election by abstaining from voting, leftists and young people voted for Kamala.
The human beings that voted for Biden and stayed home for Harris were white men/women and latino men who were almost entirely boomers. -_-
Are these other avenues even being achieved? Have we come close to building something similar to the BPP or any kind of active organized resistance?
Tell that to harris and biden. they lost because they thought they can continue to ignore the left and we left them out to dry. its going to take a few cycles of these to correct the problem unfortunately.
what cycles we in full fascism now
silly goose fascism isnt forever. eventually the normies will get sick of it and we’ll relearn how to organize.
the market can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent
hope I’m wrong
Biden: Green energy, EV investment, union empowerment(inb4), student debt forgiveness, marijuana pardons, infrastructure, drug price controls, Chips act, PACT act, pardoning people kicked out for being gay, supporting Ukraine, etc etc etc. Also non-competes banned (by FTC along “party lines”).
You: Why are they ignoring the left!
Unreal.
Bismarck: Unifies Germany; nationwide voting rights; health insurance; workers’ comp; old-age and disability pensions; standard currency; big rail/post reforms; industry protection; church–state separation.
You: Why are they ignoring the left!
𝖀𝖓𝖌𝖑𝖆𝖚𝖇𝖑𝖎𝖈𝖍.
Your example of reasons to not vote for Biden/Harris is Bismarck???
Fucking unreal. Seriously fucking unreal.
BotFC is pretty under rated as a channel.
That is a good point and I am not saying anything against it. Still that is why we should build our own progressive party. Particularly to win and/or spoil local and state elections. Blue no matter who should be a last resort. Spoiling is a big deal. We can get concessions on the major parties ticket or possible cabinet positions. My local city could be run by the university student body (the DSA really) if they showed up to those, but they don’t.
We know about the wishes of those who vote third party. We can only speculate on those who could have voted, but didn’t. So far the only real third party is the libertarian which seeks to further capitalism and is really just brand aware far right.
And really I saw this with an even larger focus on the local and state elections which have a bigger sway on our lives anyway and are often uncontested.
Electoralism in a rigged system is wasted effort.
And you might not help people, I am certainly out there most weekends helping with the van or at my local community garden.
Electoralism in a rigged system is wasted effort.
Is it stacked against us? Yes. Wasted effort? Sorry you find trying to build policy to help your local community is a waste, or that you cannot be bother to at least slow down harms coming its way.
Voting for your favorite candidate isn’t where things start. It takes a lot to get them on the ballot for a major party and still a lot for them to go third party to create a spoil and concessions. Still most people will not be involved much past casting a ballot. If your movement cannot be bothered to do that; then you are not going to be taken seriously.
Forgive me as well, but few leftist are doing a community garden and shit posting on the internet. They won’t show on elections, so its hard to see them showing up with rifles for the revolution they claim to want too.
Your defeatist attitude is also quite despicable. Your garden isn’t changing how agriculture is done at a mass scale or removing profit motive from foods. Is that a wasted effort? I wouldn’t say so.
All war is class war and elections are just one front in our struggles. A front that we have foolishly surrendered unconditionally. We could have been in a better position today; we could have been pragmatic. but we chose to do nothing.
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I don’t think the non voters who post smug memes are leftists.
This is literal propaganda you are choosing to perpetuate instead of engaging reality
It’s time to stop the decisiveness and do some cheeky buggering
Liberals: “THIS IS YOUR FAULT, LEFTISTS! YOU DIDN’T VOTE HARD ENOUGH! We ran an absolutely perfect campaign and you STABBED US IN THE BACK!”
Oh man, if only there were more than one election every four years you could have been voting in to get candidates you can actually bother to show up for.
Or you know pursue avenues instead of voting for your favourite genocidal imperialist.
Like participating in those primaries that you think you’re above?
There wasn’t a primary last year. And the primary four years before, Biden said he was going to be a one term “caretaker” candidate, and step aside to let someone else run.
There were primaries for most other positions in the government. The Left with zero representation in any level of government, and a fixation on just the presidency every 4 years, name a more iconic duo…
There were primaries for most other positions in the government.
Nearly two-thirds of 2023 elections had unopposed candidates, nonpartisan group finds
On average, between 2018 and 2023, 58% of elections covered by Ballotpedia have been uncontested.
The 70% uncontested election rate found in 2024 was the highest rate Ballotpedia has covered in a year since data collection began in 2018. The second highest rate was 65% in 2020. The lowest rate in a year was 50% in 2021.
You don’t build a movement out of thin air. If you can’t get your shit together enough to win in elections that rarely even have opposition, maybe starting at the presidency is a dumb idea?
A conversation about local political organizing would be kinda wasted here, wouldn’t it? Something better spent in person, with other people who live here.
A geographically broad, anonymized internet forum is really only good for national and global conversations.
At no point did I say it should be done here. I’m pointing out it ISN’T being done. They come here to complain about not having a presidential option while not bothering to even try to get someone in a city council, or state Congress.
Never gave much of a shit about the law. Our GenX heroes were the rebels and lawbreakers who got shit done.
Now, with the federal government collapsed, and I don’t only mean the current shutdown, I give so little fucks you can’t measure my fucks. My fucks are near Planck scale.
First time huh?
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No its not “normies” its believing in the current systems “ideal” those aren’t even close to the same things. In this instance the “liberal” is believing the “rules” actually matter to anyone.
Good thing there is brave people like you taking action.
