The min wage at the national level really doesn’t make sense. For some places it is too high, and for other too low. There is just no right answer at that level. It should probably just be abolished. The only problem is that some red states would use that as an opportunity to further exploit their people. So there is just no winning here.
And it’s still too low for anybody to live off of.
It would double my wages. Anything is better than nothing.
Or turn you unemployed if employment at new wage isn’t feasible.
Democrats pretend to want to do the right thing when they’re not in power.
When they’re in power, we get more than enough no votes to sink it and tonedeaf celebration of the girlboss energy of Sinema’s thumbs down.
More theatre? I would hope not but fuck this timeline…
im fine with this kind of theater. I would prefer tax bills to recover tax dodges but im not going to nope out on this by writing it off as theater. this timeline has a lot worse things than attempts to raised the minimum wage
Do you think this is gonna pass? I’m not sure what you expect here.
If Dems get 56% of seats, this’ll likely pass. (51% isn’t enough because Fetterman is nearly useless).
For some reason people here really want to focus on the few potential holdouts rather than the 50% or more of Republicans who are the real reason this won’t pass.
$25 would destroy any ability for most small businesses to ever get larger or going at all.
I’m basically dying a slave holding a paintbrush in that timeline or raising prices 5x at least. $2k a month for employee health insurance. $25 an hour. Kiss literally everything that isn’t a major corp goodbye!
What needs to happen is redistributing that wealth those corps stole from us.
Small business’s definitely can afford to pay 25$ an hour. If they can’t, they dont deserve to be in businessm
yeah its not going to effect mom and pop shops if you are actually talking family run. It will make it more cautious in growing but if anything it will make it harder to have a business where the owner stops working. I would prefer more the thing where the highest compensation can’t be over 100x the lowest but im not going to quibble about the best way to do good things over bad things.
Maybe we should do universal healthcare too. That would help them.
I’m not one of those anarchists that thinks nobody needs to work, but I think universal healthcare, an actual living minimum wage, and a 32-36 hour work week are all achievable.
Universal Healthcare definitely is achievable but it requires a lot of tax money.
Right now US total taxation level is ~30%. If you want EU style safety net on you, then expect 45-50%
I mean… Look at most other first world countries, you don’t need to think, it’s pretty reasonable shown it’s a thing
Small businesses die out, often times, because people can’t afford to buy their stuff. One of the most basic signs of a good economy is small amounts changing hands often. Places like Walmart dominate the field because everyone is so poor they need to worry about saving single dollars and many cannot responsibly buy from local businesses. It’s literally a business strategy for Walmart, Amazon, etc. to undercut long enough to drive out small business and then they keep their employees too poor to fight back.
You’re scared, and I get that, but it will be ok.
You guys have law protected minimum wage?
Cries in Finland
Technically yes, but the federal minimum wage right now is $7.25/hr (with a few exceptions). Even full-time at this amount is poverty level in most of the country, and many places now pay more than this anyway, so it doesn’t actually do much. In fact, now it seems like companies can use it as a way to suppress wages by saying look, we’re offering you $12/hr, which is almost double the minimum wage! In reality, that’s still insufficient to live anywhere by yourself in basically the entire country
The minimum wage has been raised twice since 1997, for a total of $2.10. The last increase was in 2009. It now stands at $7.25 an hour.
30 states have established their own Minimum Wage higher than the Federal minimum, but 20 states remain at the Federal minimum, all Red states, of course:
- Alabama (No state law)
- Georgia
- Idaho
- Indiana
- Iowa
- Kansas
- Kentucky
- Louisiana (No state law)
- Mississippi (No state law)
- New Hampshire
- North Carolina
- North Dakota
- Oklahoma
- Pennsylvania
- South Carolina (No state law)
- Tennessee (No state law)
- Texas
- Utah
- Wisconsin
- Wyoming
I make slightly more than that in East Europe, which is more or less average here. Granted, that’s only the “official” job, second or freelance jobs are quite popular here. While my day job is at factory, my nighttime job is mostly around computers (my very first job was webdev)
Thanks I guess? Maybe try stopping the fascist movement first… we can talk about empty promises later, but I ain’t seen y’all push back worth a fuck. Sure as shit, I don’t believe that weak sentiment if ya can’t even oust a certified pedo
A minimum wage increase without action against the powers and institutions that can simply adjust their practices to continue to make even $25/hr unlivable is just a bigger loaf of bread at a bigger circus. For a year or two the plebs will live like kings, then the new reality will hit. Democrats will do anything to win their base, but they’ll never actually confront the system. Fight for a world where $7.25 is a livable wage instead of one where $25 is just an opportunity for the wealthy to figure out new means to extract that much more out of you while your quality of life remains the same as it was before.
Maybe try stopping the fascist movement first
Hard to do when voters just handed control of all branches of government to Republicans.
Yet republicans manage to get all sorts of things done when they didn’t even have a majority.
So democrats can try harder. Democrats can remove the pedotus by any means necessary.
Pedotus tried (succeeded?) to overthrow the us government and nothing happened to him. He got reelected.
Democrats can do so so much more. As proven by republicans. Yet they don’t. Why?
Both parties are in on the whole thing, the system being rigged from the very beginning. I don’t buy any of it; it’s all theater.
I fully believe this now.
Losing to the worst man to ever live in modern times. Twice.
The people don’t want democrats. Democrats are the fucking block from the people to actually do anything. They are standing in our fucking way.
I fully believe that’s on purpose and I also believe the only way out of this is to let them lose so fucking hard no one can pretend anymore.
Those fucking pieces of shit backed us right up to fascism to retain power. I fucking hate those people for doing this to us.
Let them lose and let us fucking fight for the America we actually want.
Trump white house just posted " 2 kings" and these people still trying to pass fake bills?
The people of the US need to woke up before it is too late if they want their democracy back, otherwise they can accept the new kingdom.
I am not sure what he will call it, maybe just Trump
these people still trying to pass fake bills?
Telling voters what to expect, if voters give Democrats power, is not “fake bills”. What do you want, for Democrats to not tell voters what they would pass, if given power?
Telling voters what to expect, if voters give Democrats power
After decades of lies, you’ll have to excuse the skepticism of people who have been paying attention.
They will be talking about this bill being shut down by Republicans for the next 20 years. They will talk about how improper it would be to reintroduce the bill after it was voted down. If they are ever in power they will point to this failed bill whenever the min wage comes up. They know that it will never pass, that’s why it’s being done now.
Uhh that would require them to try this shit when in power, which they don’t do.
any other bill then to solve the current crises, they are banking on the problems snowballing so they get elected over the gop. it was the same thing senator warren/kloubacher did a useless “flag lesgislation”
We need a revolution to undo the damage of this administration. Democrats aren’t going to do shit and they’re all owned by the AIPAC Uniparty. This administration has been devastating to our future. Heads need to roll and I haven’t heard any democrats running on real accountability and a hard line against Israel
the current DNC schumer and his cohorts are there to prevent any leftward shift in voting patterns, the gop are design to ratchet everything to the right.
They can’t pass it. They don’t have majority. Now watch as they win midterms and this gets forgotten completely.
I mean, why not introduce this bill during any of the 4 years Biden was in office? Because it would’ve been actual policy, and they don’t want that. This is political virtue signaling and nothing more.
Now watch as they win midterms and this gets forgotten completely.
“We can’t pass it. We don’t have supermajority.”
They get supermajority.
“We can’t pass it. We don’t have the presidency”
They win presidential elections.
“We can’t just pass it. It has to be bipartisan or it’s bad for democracy”
They lose midterms.
This is specifically an optics move because they can’t pass it. Make headlines about this and a few other progressive moves in the run up to November and gain votes from the “fell for it again” neolib crowd. Then “whoops, 1-3 democrat senators are just real sticks in the mud and won’t go for it so I guess we give up”. Then frustration from the base and they eventually kill whatever momentum because they prove that when it comes to action they almost always cave. Then the gop sweeps up and regresses as much as possible.
Lieberman, sinema, manchin, now its fetterman. who will be the next “this 1-3 person group personally stops any and all progress in America for like a decade”. The ones that give those dumb neolibs ammo, because of course the party would do so much if it wasn’t for them and you just have to vote more so that the 1-3 person group can become a 3-5 person group
I mean, why not introduce this bill during any of the 4 years Biden was in office?
bCoS wE dOn’T hAvE tHe mAjOrItY!!
It’s the usual and convenient excuse that Dems and their neoliberal fans love to use. As if not having a majority in either houses ever stopped Republicans! If the Dems are really serious as an opposition, which they aren’t, then they have to make popular choices-- the kitchen table issues. And not only that, actually impeach and imprison Trump. I think America has to go under a fully fledged dictatorship for Americans to actually know when they see one; kinda like Brazil imprisoning Bolsonaro for trying to overthrow the election, and they are not letting up at all. Because Brazil suffered from decades of dictatorship. Americans did not indict and arrest Trump because they are still arguing whether or not he’s a fascist.
Meanwhile Trump calls himself a fascist. Lol the country is filled with brainrot. Give them their reality tv or whatever the fuck it is my fellow Americans do all day. Sounds like a completely different language when I’m around my countrymen. Nothing going on in the head.
So according to this there is absolutely nothing the Dems can do right now that would make you happy.
Yes because they are ineffective fucking liars.
You seem surprised that this is how losing trust works. If people don’t trust you will keep your promises, then it doesn’t matter what you promise them.
That being said, there are thing they can do that are not just virtue signalling.
Democrats cry minimum wage increase if they win.
Democrats cry legalized weed if they win.
Democrats cry codified Roe v Wade if they win.
Democrats cry ending the border wall if they win.
And then don’t do it when they win. And then get mad that people notice they got swindled.
Republicans sell lies and promise torture, and they deliver that. Lies and torture.
Drop all support for Iran war, pivot fundraising mechanisms away from Israeli influence, use bully pulpits and media to keep Epstein in the news cycle, direct more national funds to local DSA candidates, rotate gerontocracy out of party leadership, etc…
I don’t really mind them doing stuff like this too, though.
Cleansing itself from corporate corruption and zionism would be a good start.
Nothing they would actually do. Correct.
Sounds about right.
And pin it to an inflation index maybe?
I feel like many “cost of living” type laws need to be pinned together. For example the 401k yearly contribution limit and tax brackets should be defined as a multiple of minimum wage and not raised automatically each year without it.
Pin it to congressional compensation.
Pin it to the sum of all campaign contributions and congretional “gifts”.
Only if that includes what they make from all sources. I could see them being bribed into reducing their pay and framing it as a selfless move for bucket-crab voters. Their new owners will make the investment back as soon as employee pay gets adjusted back down.
Damn this is an amazing idea.
They would just stop increasing their comp and accept more
bribesdonations.
Pin it to cost-of-living.
They pinned it to median income.
Tying it to the mean would be better. When the top 10% of earners are doing 50% of the spending, the median is useless.
This thing is just theater. This is like asking for paleontological accuracy in a Godzilla movie. It’s an important detail in reality but not in these theatrics.
It will definitely increase inflation.
That thing that’s already gone up in the last 16+ years without the minimum wage doing up once?
When you lose your job scrounging up .20 cents for bread is easier than $10 regardless of inflation.
its performative for election, almost everywhere even in red states has raised the minimum wage since. remember one of the dem senators was introducing a bill about our flag, that amounts to nothing.
$7.25 in this red state…
Moving the goal posts for someone else doesn’t negate the original comment’s thesis. Raising minimum wage doesn’t increase inflation, because as we’ve seen inflation has already gone up.
Raising minimum wage (especially when tied to inflation and regional cost of living) often provides people with more spending power and work life balance. More money flows thru the economy while also allowing savings to increase. It can also cause other skilled labor jobs to see an increase in wages, and higher union attendance.
Pay people better. Don’t simp for the oligarchs.
Absolutely, but so does everything else.
There are always doomsayers saying raising the minimum wage will do <insert economic doomsday opinion>. And over and over it’s shown to not have that effect. What it does in improve the lives of millions of people.
What’s upjohn?
Similar to updawg I’d assume.
How DARE they Show voters what to Expect if PROGRESSIVES win a Majority!
-People who will DISAPPEAR after the Midterms!
It’s a great move and these are bills that need to be introduced frequently by dems right now. When people say “Yeah, but what can they do”. This. This is what they can do. Introducing these messaging bills for republicans to vote again and then grand standing on how republicans won’t do anything to help the working class.
But dems must follow through. Minimum wage is the prefect example of where they should follow through. Attach it to a budget bill and when the parliamentarian says “not allowed” tell them to F off and push it through anyways. Just as the republicans have already done several times since they took control. Or blow up the filibuster. Either is an acceptable act for when dems get power. But they must deliver.
If dems operate like they did in Biden term 1 or Obama term 1, they’ll be sunk in 2032.
They could do something about pedotus any fucking day they want. Any day. Yet…
Pretty much. I’d love to see a party actually have balls. Ever when the Dems are in the majority they just circle jerk each other.
We are fortunately seeing some of this with the gerrymandering bills. The absolute right messaging came from AOC when asked about the Virginia redistricting “We have a bill on the table to resolve this very problem but Republicans refuse to support it. If they hate this, they can feel free to vote to stop all gerrymandering”.
gerrymandering likely will hurt GOP more than it helps them since they already area at the limit of doing it, and starts affect thier districts.
most of them are gop-lite dinos, like schumer, hakeem, slotkin, and a dozen others
I’ll believe it when I see it and maybe not even then because it’ll get struck down by the Supreme Court or something.
Good. Things. Don’t. Happen.
When they know it won’t pass, they go big. Honestly they should have gone bigger.
I hope they prove me wrong, but you won’t see me holding my breath.
They know it won’t pass, but they’re positioning themselves to run on “affordability”. Of course, if they win, they’ll “try” to pass a similar bill, but it’ll get watered down to “increase minimum wage to $9.50 per hour by 2035” or similar bullshit.
now you know both gop/goplite-dnc colludes with each other, they know beforehand which they will pass and which will not pass.
This is garbage. It appeals to a far left constituency while alienating the moderate left people who are just trying to make their small businesses work. There has got to be a compromise line between these two groups. This is not how you win elections.
I’m far left with a small business.
Yea this $25 an hour would ensure I’d remain a slave and the few jobs I can afford to offer (which are actually fun and in the arts) would all just be me until i keeled over and died paintbrush in hand.
I don’t get fucking paid $25 an hour right now and I pay myself.
Or i could close up shop and work at Walmart like everyone else. Then no one will have anyone or anything to ever see again in America that’s not a major public corp.
The answer is to redistribute that wealth those corps stole from us.
This is already a compromise. The far left answer to small business owners is to expropriate your capital and force you to get a job like everyone else.
Besides that, workers outnumber business owners 170.7 million to 36.2 million. You’re a really tiny voting bloc and most of you vote Republican in every election anyway, so who cares what you think?
Enjoy your Walmarts on every corner.
One of the biggest problems with Walmart is how little they pay their workers.
Forcing them to pay $25/hr seems like a pretty good deal.
The moderate left business owners? WTF?
Raising the minimum wage is far left?
What even is this?
A livable wage is now considered a far left issue? Jesus christ things have gotten bad.
Left is literally labor. Like, yea, raising minimum wage over triple is definitely a far left issue.
According to the far right, it’s a far left issue. According to everyone else, it’s a center to center-right issue. There is no far-left in the US.
I’m sorry you’ve just now noticed. May want to take a look at Nov 2024-present.
A livable wage increasing 3x is going to raise eyebrows…
I’m not in US, but 3x people’s salary isn’t something feasible, you don’t just increase the lowest, as they now leaped past everyone else. EVERYONE will need increases.
So now everything goes up in cost, you just killed the export economy and those who are out of a job? Get turbo fucked because benefits lag behind at best of times, but now they got higher prices to deal with with the money they already don’t have.
Oh and people go and buy out the housing market before it rockets to the moon.
This is a lemmy comment, figures are vague by design. It is a centrist (read left if you’re American) safe space, hence I’m here, but we don’t live in lala land…
This is garbage.
This is still less than some areas’ true living wage in this country. Look up essentially any city here, and you’ll find its living wage is often much higher than both the current minimum wage, the most frequently proposed $15 increase, and this new $25 increase.
Minimum wages should be living wages, not the bare minimum to not starve unless you even temporarily lose your job and are now deemed ineligible to live.
It appeals to a far left constituency
74% of Democrats (center-right), and 55% of voters overall (left, center, and right combined) support a minimum wage increase to $25/hour. This is not a fringe idea.
while alienating the moderate left people who are just trying to make their small businesses work.
When minimum wages rise, small businesses find it easier and cheaper to hire new employees, face less turnover, and are able to charge a high enough price to cover the newly increased cost without inflating prices faster than the minimum wage.
Raising the minimum wage for everyone benefits individuals, small businesses, and the economy at large. It even reduces the high school dropout rate!
This is not how you win elections.
Pushing a broadly popular issue relating to affordability at a time when economic uncertainty is around the highest it’s ever been is an incredibly good strategy to win elections.
You brought receipts. Thank you.
That’s a lot of words for “I’m selfish and don’t understand how people on low incomes tend to spend more money proportionately, thereby stimulating small businesses”
Ehhhhhhhhhhh in my experience low income does not support small business.
Maybe they would change habits if they made more but it’s unlikely. Habits change more by necessity.
In reality we’d all see healthcare become $5k a month and car insurance at $500.
If your small business fails because you can’t pay you employees enough to live off of, that’s a problem with your business model. The problem with small businesses is that the people starting them have no idea what they’re doing.
Enjoy your Walmarts on every corner.
If your business model doesnt allow payment of a living wage then your business deserves to fail
We should start with Walmart not small business.
I might be wrong but I don’t think this actually pleases “far left” — far left prefers maximums / taxing billionaires rather than just raising the minimum without any regulations to keep costs from rising indefinitely
Pretty sure the far left doesn’t believe in currency or private ownership of goods at all. The far left are communists and anarchists who eschew capitalism entirely. The policies you’ve described are centre-left. The Overton Window in the US has shifted so far to the right that they don’t actually know what far left even means anymore.
Noted - good point! I guess I meant ‘further left’ than whatever “far left “ boogeyman the original commenter had in their head.
Yay! Public masturbation instead of actually fucking doing something. What happened to impeaching the shit stain that keeps desecrating the constitution?
They secretly like that shit stain.
What happened to impeaching the shit stain that keeps desecrating the constitution?
A basic understanding of arithmetic and calendars…
Who was saying wed impeach before midterms?
Trying to do that, wouldn’t change anyone’s mind.
Trying to do this, something most Americans want, forces Republicans and neoliberals to go against it, which hurts them in primaries/mid terms.
If you don’t understand why people are doing something, just ask bro.
That’s how we learn.
How many decades of their bullshit until you realize you’re being played?
No… a basic understanding that they’re bought and paid for by the same billionaires and always follow their masters’ orders. There is no chance in hell that this will happen at all and meanwhile they’re changing the subject from Epstein and Iran to this. Fucking shills… every single one of them.
There is no chance in hell that this will happen at all
I know…
I just explained why it still matters…
There is no chance in hell that this will happen at all and meanwhile they’re changing the subject from Epstein and Iran to this
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In your mind people can care about more than one issue, but no more than two at once?
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As we’ve both said, Dems don’t have the votes. And I think we agree that not all Dems would vote with us if it came to it… So what do you think they can do about the other 2 issues? Wouldn’t we want to highlight as many of Republicans failures as possible in case not all voters agree about the other two?
They complain that Dems don’t do anything. We say they don’t have the votes.
Dems try to do something. They complain that Dems tried to do something.
It’s almost like these people don’t really care what the Dems do or don’t do. It’s almost like their goal isn’t to improve the Democratic party, but that they have some other agenda.
Last time democrats had the majority, they were positively gleeful about blocking a wage increase.
Why should anyone trust a party that doesn’t keep its promises?
I mean…
For the last 30-50 years, “the dnc is working against us” was valid…
It’s just at no point does anyone teach people how our political system works. People know enough to know it’s stupid, but if it was possible to change the system from the outside, Bernie would have tried it by now. Or any of the people that keep trying would have succeeded by now.
The only way to beat the system, is thru the system.
Right now we have a level playing field at the party level, that’s fucking huge.
And if that lets a progressive to the general and into the oval, they get to name the next DMC chair.
The reason there’s such a big push against the DNC, is if progressives grab the reigns, we’ll hold them for decades. A constant cycle where progressives keep winning and keep controlling the party, decades (if ever) for Republicans to recover post trump.
We’re so fucking close. And as much as people point out the bad parts of history repeating, we’re coming up on FDR. And that’s the real reason the rich are scared.
They can get off of their collective fucking asses - every single one of them - and not say anything about anything except Epstein and the Iran war every single day, 24 hours per day and force the narrative to be that Trump is a pedophile and treason-weasel who should be treated as such. They could do almost anything that isn’t another version of sucking his balls.
4 hours per day and force the narrative to be that Trump is a pedophile and treason-weasel who should be treated as such
We tried that, it’s not enough…
Dem voters need something to vote for.
Even the DNC realized this over a year ago man…
They could do almost anything that isn’t another version of sucking his balls.
I mean, this isn’t sucking his balls…
So we’re cool here now, right?
You see the value in this?
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It’s “not a top priority”.
It wouldn’t be a major priority for me, either.
Impeachment is a formal accusation of wrongdoing. It doesn’t remove the President from office.
To remove a President, first you need to impeach him (simple majority in the House) and then you need to pass a vote to convict in the Senate, which requires a two-thirds supermajority.
Trump was already impeached twice. On neither occasion was he convicted.
As things stand, that Senate vote to convict will almost certainly fail. That will also almost certainly be the case even after the midterms.
So the impeachment would act as something of a formal condemnation, but unless you’re really into symbolic gestures, it’s probably not the most-important thing. It doesn’t alter the balance of power or do much to Trump.
What having a House majority will do is let the Democrats conduct investigations, and they probably should do that. If the Trump administration has been doing sufficiently-sketchy things that previously hadn’t been turned up and they turn it up, that might get enough votes in the Senate. But absent new information, impeachment isn’t going to have much real impact.
Lifting millions out of poverty wages isn’t “masturbation”. Wealth inequality can be traced to several problems within the country, and can be directly linked to several factors leading to the election of Trump.
It would be nice if they weren’t lying about wanting to do it, too.
It’s never going to happen… not even if we had a Democrat president.
a DNC candidate would likely be someone like newsom, they will never budge on israel, and taxing billionaires, or healthcare.
I hold no faith in the political process, so I’d be inclined to agree. The only way to ensure a living wage is to organize a union. We can’t wait for crumbs from the ruling class.
In fact, the impeachment resolutions have already been filed, and they are going to get just as far as this bill. So I don’t understand your complaint. For example.
It’s the same party? Democrans and Republicrats.
